Name: Selling With Gamma
Uploaded: 2025-10-22T18:01:04.885Z
Duration: 40 min 52 s
Description: Selling With Gamma

Transcript for "Selling With Gamma": Good morning. How's everyone doing? Hopefully, you can all hear me. Welcome to our selling with Gamma workshop. It looks like you all are already following my first instruction, which is to use the chat and tell us where you're calling in from today. I am also in Los Angeles like Scott. I don't know where Buenasia, California is, but it sounds very nice. We have Germany, Nepal, London, Barcelona, wonderful, Paris. Okay. So I'm not gonna say, good morning to everyone because it seems like we're all on different time zones. Cool. People are still trickling in, but welcome. Here's our gamma logo. And in case you don't know, I know we have some folks who are a little bit new. Our mission is helping people bring their ideas to life. So for a lot of folks, they see Gamma as a PowerPoint alternative. That is also true, but, really, our vision is to provide access to the best tools so that anyone can share their ideas effortlessly. You'll see it'll be relevant today as I demo a few different tools within Gamma. I myself am very much a nondesigner who needs to create a lot of content. So if I didn't work at Gamma, I would probably be a big Gamma user. But, yeah, our goal is help people like myself, bring their ideas to life. We have just started, doing events. This is, we're using a new tool called Goldcast that we're still learning. This is our first ever workshop for sales professionals, who make up a pretty big chunk of our user base. Today's agenda, we'll start with a welcome and intro, which is already happening. The bulk of it will be a selling with gamma presentation and some demos. That's gonna be led by my friend Scott Towsley, who is the founder of Margin AI. He also used to work at Clay, which I'm sure is a very familiar tool to a lot of you salespeople, and HubSpot. And he's also helping us build a new course on selling with Gamma. Then we're gonna do a community q and a. One question for all the participants. Hi, Irina. Do you see a raise your hand feature? I'm new to Goldcast, but if that exists, can someone test it out, Nicole? Okay. Well, if you see it, that means that during the q and a, we should be able to bring folks on screen if they want. You can share your questions in the chat. We'll do our best to answer them. Scott will talk a little bit more about how we wanna use this time at the end. But just note, we only have forty five minutes. We won't be able to answer all your questions. We do have a help desk, that should be able to answer others. But more importantly, and kind of the reason for this event, we are launching a new education platform in November. It's called GammaLab. And GammaLab has three components. The first of which is an academy, which will be, interactive video based courses that help you go deeper with gamma. Our very first course is going to be called selling with gamma, which is part of the reason we are workshopping some of this material today. The second thing will be cohort based sprints, that help you ship your most ambitious Gamma project in a week. You will work with someone on the Gamma staff, to go from idea to reality in a short sprint. And then live events like this one. So weekly onboarding sessions for new users. I know some of you were there. We did one yesterday. Anytime we release a new feature, we'll do live events and then deep dive sessions like this one. So those are gonna happen, on a weekly basis, once we launch this. So the reason you're here today, is you're helping us workshop our first academy course, which is selling with Gamma. So without further ado, I'm going to introduce, Scott Telsley. I'm gonna start sharing a different doc. Scott, why don't you say hello? Hey, Ron. Nice to see you all. I'm in Los Angeles along with Akeva. And, yeah, I'm working on a product right now. I was at HubSpot and Clay prior along with a couple other companies, but really excited to, yeah, dive in and and talk about all the things that we've been covering recently. So what we'll what we'll cover today is, if you wanna flip to the next one, is just how do we sell as efficiently as possible. A lot of the context for how this presentation is built for this initial version is a good bulk of those that are using Gamma, have their own business. There are consultants in some capacity, and so we're starting this first one off from that point of view, as a consultant. I think we'll evolve into how bigger teams at larger companies, particularly in b two b, are selling as well. And so we can kinda get the hybrid point of view of those that are running their own business from a consultant standpoint, as well as those who are leading larger sales organizations at businesses at 500,000,000 in revenue and using products like Gamma to do that. So what we'll cover today is this framework for selling with Gamma. We'll do a preview of some features that Akiva is gonna demo. It's very exciting. But just to set the expectations, what we won't do is go really deep on these intermediate to advanced AI sales workflows. We're not pulling up n eight n. We're not pulling up, Zapier or Macon going really deep on, you know, these if then complex series of chains. We will in future sessions, but we won't today. We're also not gonna go super deep on specific prompts of what you could put into gamma or GPT or Claude, but we will in the future, and we will, be highlighting all the members of the community in the future as well. So as we're going through this, as Akiva is showing some exciting gamma features and as I'm walking through this presentation, two things to think about. Number one, what have you built recently with Gamma and other AI sales products that you're really excited about and might wanna show off? As we're building this course, what we're looking for are examples, real examples that you've been using or people you know have been using that you think are really cool that you might wanna show off. The second question to think about is the inverse. Like, what do you wish you could do that you're not quite sure how to do with gamma or how to do with perhaps some other products that are adjacent adjacent to gamma? So we can see if we can help solve that problem in the course as we're designing it. Ultimately, the big question that we're all asking is we're all tinkering with AI products. We're all using gamma. We're we're trying different products like Zapier and Gamma and you name it. And, really, at the end of the day, the question is, how can this actually help us improve our margins? How does this make us more efficient? How does it help us spend time on the things that we're spending time on today that are not the best use of time? Right? And from the point of view of consulting, consulting is naturally a very high margin business. There are not a lot of COGS that go into consulting. And so when we're using products like Gamma, it just really helps push our margins even higher. In, you know, just working workshopping this with other folks on where are we spending the most time. And what often comes up when we look at a sales process, going all the way from having relationships with people to, hey. I'm I might wanna work together, going through them some discovery calls, understanding what are their pains, is there a good overlap between what they're looking for and what you're looking for, and then it's crafting the proposal and going through negotiation and closing. And what is really a sticky point in the sales process are these proposals. And it used to be you call it a margin drain, but it's taking this context of what did they send me over email, what did we cover on that first Zoom call to the last Google Hangout we had, and how do I translate what they're looking for with my templates that I have in a way that makes the most sense. And now with products like Gamma, it's unbelievable how efficient you can be, and you can build these custom proposals that feel like they were built, you know, exactly for this client even though you're not spending six hours on a proposal, which we had been doing in a past life. The again, the old world is, like, we have these call notes, we have the Notion pages, the Slack, the email threads. Now we're just trying to stitch it together with this manual customization, and you're in Google Slides or PowerPoint, maybe it's more async. You might be in a product like Notion or Google Docs sending proposals. But in any way, you're stitching it all together and you're trying to reformat it in a way that looks visual, in a way that makes sense within the content. And it's just tough. Right? It's, like, hard to use, life before gamma, frankly. And so now in this new world, the with the release of Gamma's API, very recently, it's truly incredible what you can build. It's really infinite, frankly. What you can do in n I n, what you can do in Zapier, what you can do in Make, in connecting to products like Airtable or HubSpot or Gmail or Notion or really anything, and you can automate this what would be in a past life as, like, a margin drain where you're spending time on manual work and now you don't have to anymore with Gamma. And so that's what we'll cover in, you know, the next few minutes is, like, what is this foundation? How, how how can we think about selling with Gamma? And then what are some examples that, you know, again, keep in mind that we can we can cover at the end of the presentation, if anyone has any. The first thing is really selling with Gamma is about first the template, then the context, then the brand. Now until you start with this template, which is really the base deck, we all have our base decks for sales proposals or could even be the last proposal that we sent. Next is you have to pull in context. What did you talk about? What did we talk about in email, Slack calls? And then it's just applying the theme and continuing to revise the theme so that it feels on brand. So if we take a template, there's really two options. So Akiva is gonna demo both of these options. The first is actually creating from a template. So if you ever use Google Slides, which I'm sure many have, or PowerPoint, you have a template deck. You clone the template deck, and you take what you've talked about with other people on Zoom calls or Hangouts or whatnot, and then you manually change things around, but you're starting from a template and you're building something custom. The second option is you're remixing. As you're taking the very last thing you sent, and then you're remixing to get the most recent version that's relevant for this client. So, we'll press the hypothetical CTA button, and, Akiva can do a demo here. Cool. You can hear me. I'm on mic. Okay. Cool. So, and I should just say with all these demos, these features are extremely new, and they are very new to me. So, these won't be super high definition, but I'll show you how I use them. So the first thing, we see here, I'm in our Gamma Lab twenty twenty five workspace. So first thing I wanna show you how to do is they're just gammas we've created. You can turn any gamma into a template. So let's say this prompt guide that I'm working on, I wanted to save it as a template. I would create a workspace template. Assume that this is, like, a frequently used gamma, and I want to create, like, many prompt guides for, different use cases. I would call the template gamma prompt guide. I would save that copy as a template. Then to view all templates, you can go here. You see gamma prompt guide. I can use the template. And the other thing to know about templates is we also have a bunch of standard templates. We're probably developing many more of these, but you'll see, for sales and marketing, you can find, like, a start up pitch deck template, a marketing strategy, a sales presentation. In any of these cases, you could click, use template, and then it would copy that for you. And then you have it here. It's customizable. So that's all well and good. But the other thing I wanna show you is the remix feature. So I think you saw with any template, you have the ability to click, remix this template. So I'm gonna show you something, real from Gamma, which I find to work really well using the remix, and that's job description. So this won't be relevant for, you know, solopreneurs and salespeople. But, you know, if you have, like, a pitch deck that you wanna reuse and customize for a new client, you would remix in the same way. But so we have this, template that we use at Gamma. And let's say I wanted to remix it for a new product design role. So I have my notes, for the product design role about the role, responsibilities, what we're looking for, etcetera. And what I put at the top is use the JD below to populate the job posting. And this is one thing I love about Remix. So you'll see here we have, an about us card, which is relevant to all roles at Gamma. About the role, we wanna customize this. Our stack, we say this engineering only, so that's not relevant here. This is for AI roles only. And then we have a meet the team card, which is also kind of evergreen. So I'm gonna tell it, do not change the about us card or the our team card card, and do not include the RSTACK card or the AI scale card. So, basically, I'm telling it which cards to lock and which cards to customize. So I will generate it here. But since we're doing a live demo, I already did this a few minutes ago. Here's what it looks like. And it's interesting. This I would remove, but Allison, who's one of our working product designer, put this context in here so that it would pick certain images if it's a design role or engineering role, icon suggestions. But anyway, this I could easily remove. But everything else else it pulled in the function, pulled in and the compensation about us remains the same. About the role pulled in all of my context, and then meet the team card and it removed the AI specific card. So that's just a quick, demo of what you can do with Remix, and again, which, which includes that you have got you can do for to use. Give me a second. Cool. Okay. Alright. Back to the freezer. Cool. Sounds good. So yeah. The next, thanks, Akiva. The next section. Right? Like, the selling with Gamma framework. First, you have the template, so you can build from a template or you can remix a past template. Then the the next section is context. Right? Like, how do we actually get context of what we discussed? This is the hard part historically. Well, it's all hard, you know, to some extent. But this is the really hard part of especially if it with longer sales cycles in many conversations. So for example, if you're, an enterprise sales rep and your average deal size is 200 k, there are many people you're talking to. There are multiple people in IT, in procurement, in supply chain, in, marketing, in finance, you know, and so you have to pull in context of everything that's been said. And this is ironically probably taken out of context, and an engineer would laugh at this. But, you know, how to think of it is just like context engineering our proposals of assuring that what we want to say and what we wanna put within the window, we can actually pull within the context windows that are available for us to be building out our presentations with. And this term has gone thrown around everyone from the Shopify CEO, to Andre, from OpenAI, but just let something that, we've been thinking about a little bit. So now, like, practically. Okay. What does that mean? Like, how do you get context into the machine and a Gamma out on the other end? One, there's infinite ways to do this. But two, there's ballpark about three options. The first option is you take your raw notes. Let's say it's a single call, one shot Gamma. You had one call with someone, did discovery. They're like, I really I really think we should work together. This is great. Let's say you have a transcript in a product like Granola or Fathom or you name it, and maybe a little bit of emails, you can just take that and just paste it in raw. A few weeks ago, Keith and I were trying this, and we're like, let's is this right? Right? Like, can you just take it in raw? And it does fairly well, actually, even without prompting, just raw transcript in, Gamma out. That is an option and it can work. The second option is more summarizing. So you take all the communication history, then you have preset prompts. In this course that we're building out, what we want to source from the community are prompts. Like, what are prompts that you're using to build out your proposals or various use cases of selling with AI? And what do those look like? You know, and just getting inspiration from others. So it goes communication in into GPT or Claude or Gemini or whatever you wanna use as a prompt that goes into Gamma and a Gamma comes out the other end. Now the third option, which is very exciting with the new Gamma API, is you can automate this practically end to end. You can put a human in the loop at different stages here, but you actually don't have to anymore. Whereas before the Gamma API, there was a human in the loop. It was like human. You have you have to do this. Now with products like connecting it to to Zapier and again or or make, you can build these series of workflows. And, Akiva, if you scroll down, there's example videos right now, that you can watch of how people are actually doing this. Using Zapier is the one on the bottom left, using n eight n is the one in the middle, and then the official Gamma API launch video is on the bottom right. And so there's a lot of really cool examples, even though this is only a few weeks old, that you could watch and check out that are really fascinating. And I and there will only be out of the millions of people that are using Gamma every month, there will only be, quite a bit more of these coming out, I think, over the next few weeks and next few months. Okay. Cool. So Gamma's API, Dini, who's leading this product is was talking about how this is the number three most requested Gamma feature of all time was the Gamma API. So it's huge when it actually launched, and, there's a lot you can do. Again, it's very infinite, but we'll, again, click our hypothetical CTA, and then, Akiva will will do a quick demo of this in in Zapier. Yeah. And, hopefully, my Wi Fi doesn't, crap out again. But I did link, what I'm about to show you. There's an even better version led by Dini, in a YouTube video that I have linked there. But let me just show you, what this might look like. So if you're familiar with Zapier, you would just go in and create a new Zap. And let's say what I want to do is take a Google Doc. So maybe that has call notes, from, you know, if I'm a salesperson for a dog grooming company. So we'd have the trigger event, the, not a new document because, Google Docs can get pretty busy, but a new document in a specific folder, where I know that I want to create a Zap, to Gamma. My account is already linked here. I'm not gonna go through how you would, link your account in Gamma. We'll go into that in the course. But I would continue here. The drive, let's find it. It'll be my Google Drive. The folder is one that I've set up for Zapier tests. Let's continue. We're gonna test the trigger. I'll find a recent document in my account. Okay. We'll go to document b. So if we scroll down here, it looks like a familiar document to me. Let's say continue with selected record, and then we want to zap it to Gamma. So the action event here, I would say generate a Gamma. The account. This is one I already set up, called Gamma number two. We'll continue here. And then, what you'll see here is, this is pretty similar to the generate flow in Gamma. You have text mode, format, presentation, could also be social media or website. You can choose your theme. You could choose the number of cards. You can, give a text amount. You can enter the tone. Basically, everything you can do in gamma, you can do here. But right now, the most important thing is the input text. So I'm gonna make sure we import the raw plain text content. Again, this is from, like, a sales call for my dog grooming company. So we'd include that there. We would continue. We would test it, and it will send that gamma to gamma. Let's give it a second. So gamma was sent to gamma about zero seconds ago. So I'm fudging this a little bit here, because I already tried this yesterday. But, what you will see is you go into your gamma. You click on API generated. And here we have my mobile dog grooming partnership proposal. This just took notes from that call, and immediately zapped it to gamma. Again, I could have customized the visuals a bit more, but let's say I picked a theme, I picked, an AI image source, and then, you know, I could publish that zap. And then every time that I add sales call notes to that folder, it will generate a gamma, and I'll have a proposal immediately. So, that's just, one way you could use the API from Zapier. I am a fairly nontechnical person, and that was pretty easy to set up. If you want a deeper dive walk through, we'll definitely do it in the course. But that video I shared in the chat above, where Deanie walks through the same process, gives you much more detail. If you haven't set up your API key already, she shows you how to do that. So, back to you, Scott. I will share the, gamma again. One second. Cool. Yeah. There it's really cool. Like, all the things that are possible with with Zapier, and even seeing what some people are doing if you scrape LinkedIn and you kinda look at how what is being shared. It's it's pretty interesting. Okay. So going back to the framework, you have the template, then you have the context, now you have brand. Right? And really what we mean by brand is that it fits within the confines of what you're used to. Typically, what you see at larger companies, again, is like a branded presentation. And so Gamma has the ability, of course, I believe many folks know this by now, that you have themes. And so for your themes, you can import your brand assets, define the hierarchy, assure that it feels right and it feels on brand in terms of fonts, images, even like border radius, you know, all of the things that are important for your brand. So it feels co a cohesive experience when the recipient is getting the proposal that is coming from you. And it doesn't feel or look visually, like something that is disconnected, from what your brand is externally and other sources. So we'll go back one more time, to Akiva, to do a quick demo on the, themes. Yeah. Again, hopefully, you can hear me. But with themes, I find often half the battle is just letting people know that they exist. So, you know, when you go into your gamma dashboard, the easiest way to access themes is right here. And we have, many standard themes. You know, if you are a nondesigner, you'll probably find what you need here. You can also create custom themes. We have plenty of them at Gamma, but I'm in a personal kind of account here. But one thing I want to show is, especially for solopreneurs and small businesses, you can take any theme and copy and customize it. There's a lot you can do here, especially if you have, design skills and you know about accent colors. But fonts, you can make changes here. I believe you can upload fonts, especially if you're on the pro plan. Another big one is logo. You can drag your own logo or upload it here, save the theme. There's all kinds of design customization. You can customize, the types of images you want as a default. You can give it very specific prompts, and then you can save a theme. You can also set it as a default. So what I would suggest here is just to explore, find the themes that, speak to you, find ways to customize them. There also is a way to start from scratch and create a new theme, but I would only suggest that for people. And Akiva's coming back. There he is. Hey, Akiva. You're good. I guess well, Akiva's loading here. Really, the we only have one more slide. Yeah. So we keep you do come back and pull up the last slide. The last slide is, yeah, you know, this is this is kind of we're wrapping it up on the big picture. What's the overview, of what we're, what we're building. The main thing, as we talked about at the beginning, if we're looking for examples, we're building out a course. It's for those that want to get better at selling with AI. There are millions of people using Gamma. There are, dozens of, teammates at Gamma, and so we want to understand what is out there. What are you doing that is really interesting or people you know of that's really interesting on what you've built and things that you're proud of? And then the second are the inverse, of course, is what do you wish what do you wish you could build? Couple options. We can try the I like your comment, Deepak. We can try the, hand write hand raise feature. But, additionally, if you're more comfortable sending things, async, you can email a keypad came at the app with your workflows or if you just wanna talk a little bit more, as we're sourcing material to put into the course that will be seen by frankly millions of people. So it's a cool way to get some exposure for yourself or your own, business. So I guess first question, does anyone want to try the hand raise, to share, some things that you've built recently with, Gamma for AI and sales use cases? Let's see. Do we have any hands raised? I don't see any. Cool. Oh, you did. The box that you raised. Amanda, do you know how to let them on stage? Hello? Hi. Hey, Mike. Hi. Yeah. Hi. I'm I'm I'm not Deepak. I'm Mike. Nice to see you. First of all, I've gotta say, Gamma has literally blown my mind. It changed my business. I've it you you are literally my creative department. So you talk about solopreneurs or small companies, but I'm now able to deliver, far better outcomes for my clients than I could have done before as a small guy because I don't have to hire a $150,000 worth of, person to do do what you do. So so thank you very much indeed. So but my my so anyway, sorry. Enough of the loving. What I'm using Gamma for is I I basically help company I technology companies think who've typically stalled, think about how to grow. So I've got a a Frontier Research AI tool that basically takes a bunch of real deep research into where they sit in the market. I then take that content. They put it into something like GPT five to really refine it, and gamma is the is the polishing. It's the it's the thing that makes it look great, and it's the thing that that hooks on it. So that that's it was more of a statement than a question, but I was just sharing with you how I typically am using your product right now. And, you know, my revenues have grown 700% in the last three months since I've been doing this. So, you know, it's hope hopefully, it's a good use a good success story for you guys. Wonderful. Thank you so much, Mike. And, yes, please feel free to share some of those workflows with me at kiva@gamma.app. I think we're gonna let Deepak on right now, a very, very well known gamma user. We've met in person. Do you wanna let him on, Amanda? Here we go. So I I I have this end shaven look because I'm supposed to be in training for three days on a with another customer. So with the customer, I had my agreement that this is where I'm gonna let my skin breathe. Now I see you're keeping I feel I'm in best at company and with you, Scott, as well. So matching, but more great. Guys, first of all, I like what Mike said. Right? That was Mike said who spoke earlier. Mike, love it. I don't wanna get into why I adore gamma, but gamma is part of my life. It's actually been integrated into everything I do. Even before speaking to a customer, when I send a proposal or something attached as a short proposal in a LinkedIn DM, It's Gamma. So for me, I'm a sales coach and sales trainer. My journey with Gamma and I'm just gonna call this out quickly so people can see the steps along the process where I've integrated Gamma. Number one, I get a DM that says, hey. This is my problem. I saw what you posted. Very curious. Can you help me understand what you do? I immediately take the guy's LinkedIn profile. I immediately take his note. I run it through custom GPT and that output then connects back in from Gamma. I get a one pager. Chris customized proposal that goes back to the customer. In that, I actually have my price points because I've given some rules in the prompt itself. It knows whether a guy is gonna get four sessions or eight sessions from me. The first reaction that I get from people is that, wow, I would expect to get maybe a paragraph or two. I actually get a custom proposal. And when you read the proposal, you know it's custom specific to that individual, and that's when the fun starts. Two, the comment I always get is, really like what you use. What did you use for this proposal? That's when the gamma name pops up. And everyone's reaction is, oh, I didn't know gamma would could do that. I'm like, well, you keep learning even I'm learning. Second thing that happens is, now I've, let's say, got the deal. I'm now with my customer, and I'm doing the coaching exercise with him. Akiva, I need to tell the customer what the plan of action is gonna be. I take the transcript, again run it through custom GPT, and then I send him a customized so first, we had a proposal. Now I'm actually sending him a plan of action. This is the coaching program that we're gonna run for you. That coaching program is sent pretty in-depth. Gamma does a spectacular job of breaking it down using different formats to show what each session will do. And I've converted that into a template driven tool. Now what happens now is that I don't get variations in the output. Every output comes out beautifully because I've got a template that I set up for it. The first reaction from customers is, wow, this is clear. They love the vibrancy. They love the color of the setup, and that's what Gamma delivers to us. Right? It's not a word document anymore. It's pretty efficient. So I have a question for you, Deepak. Because I know you're one of the power power users of our remix feature. Can you tell us specifically what that has opened up for you? Yeah. So let's talk about I've got a fourth session and an eight session plan with the customer. Right? Those variations can change dramatically quite a lot. I cannot allow that variation to keep coming into the design. So before Remix, I used to struggle with trying to lock something down. Now with Remix, I take something which is already existing. I have a template which I've locked on. It's got my team. We talk spoke about teams. And teams are extremely valuable in the selling world. Your logos, the way you communicate with the customer, all those colors locking down. I, right now, in in Gamma, I'm kidding you not, I have four different businesses I run. I actually have four different teams and templates, and I sometimes get confused. But I'm I'm saying that to people understand that you can actually expand your business. It's not just about doing what you do today. It's about actually doing multiple things. Flexibility is there. I take the remix template, and now we are at a point where I actually can literally send it to customer without even doing the quality check. Because the remix function has got it down to, I would say, 90%. It gives me exactly the structure that I have locked on. Previously, before that, I used to struggle a bit. But now because I've got my templates well defined, the remix works very well. In fact, what I'll do is I'll send you a couple of prompts that you are offline that you can, you know, see exactly how I'm running that through. And then the final thing that I wanna just call out is that as I have the conversation with the customer, I actually have an automation. After each session, I actually go back and I look at where are we in the journey, and then I inform the customer via Gamma proposal again. And and that that's pretty cool because what this is giving me is the ability to have a standardized set of material that flows back and forth. And this material ends up in a unified Google Drive as well, like, you may start just sending stuff in email. Customers love it when they can go to Drive and they can see everything stacked there. So if you can figure out the Zap integration, when Gamma did that for me, Gamma literally entrenched itself into my business, and I think that's extremely powerful. The other use case I have, which has got me so much feedback, is custom training for salespeople. I do a lot of custom training at Kiva. Can you imagine with Canva, I can actually create on the fly very fast, very quick? Beautiful a four or legal sized documents that actually lay out very clearly what the training would look like. And he can read that and actually see. He gets it. It it's vibrant. It's got the colors. And in fact, someone once told me, did you use Adobe InDesign for this? And that made me smile because I used to think of Adobe InDesign as the benchmark of being, you know, quality wise. So if you have a well defined team, if you get the branding and the colors right, the the output that's coming out is, I would argue, very good, very high quality. I just created it, and then I converted my training material also into gamma handouts, gamma based handouts. 82 of them I created, guys, and it's flying very well. In fact, I have a person that used to do before me and, Kiva, he's asking me, will I ever get your business again? I said, yeah. Yeah. You will. Because it's something that gamma might take, but We're actually, me and Scott are building our Gamma Lab courses right now. We're building it entirely in Gamma. So we we are building those courses as well. Thank you, Deepak. I'm gonna share my screen one last time. So the ask, for everyone here, this, was obviously a a workshop, but we wanna hear from you about your workflows and, your wishes for Gamma as a salesperson. So please email me, Akiva@Gamma.app. Tell me a little bit about your workflow. Tell me a little bit about what you wish you could do in Gamma. And these are potentially things that we will highlight in the course, or we'll try to get answers to your questions and build them into the course. So that's our ask from you. We really want you to be part of this. But thank you everyone for joining us today. This is our first ever workshop for salespeople, our first ever workshop on Goldcast. We've confirmed that we can bring people up on stage, and keep an eye out for future events and workshops. It'll all be hosted on our GammaLab website, which should be ready next month. Thank you all so much, and we will see you next time. Bye, Ron.